tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post114806207547662831..comments2024-03-28T21:21:02.777-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: Orthopraxy = imitation JudaismChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-1149202705947394712006-06-01T18:58:00.000-04:002006-06-01T18:58:00.000-04:00Only one point. The correct girsa in the Rambam i...Only one point. The correct girsa in the Rambam is not "VeLo Michachmeihem" but rather "Ella Michachmehem". Thus many achronim write that such a person does get a cheilek in Olam HaBa. I agree with your sentiments regarding orthopraxy, just wanted to clear up this point.chardalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11360421238816857677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-1148564298977487982006-05-25T09:38:00.000-04:002006-05-25T09:38:00.000-04:00Eliyahu - see the Rambam in his hakdamah to peirus...Eliyahu - see the Rambam in his hakdamah to peirush hamishnayos toward the end. The Rambam sees action as a means of refining the individual so he/she is able to arrive at the correct beliefs and creed, which is the ticket to olam haba. See also the Dershos haRan, begining of derush sheni (I think, sorry don't have the sefer with me) who writes that the telos is a perfected mind that exceeds even rational thought and is thereby open to prophetic wisdom. Sorry, I am not engaging in armchair phliospohizing, I'm just citing the sources. Don't believe me or anyone else without seeing them inside.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-1148564134078766532006-05-25T09:35:00.000-04:002006-05-25T09:35:00.000-04:00Yossi, please reread the post, which spoke to diff...Yossi, please reread the post, which spoke to differentiating ikkar and tafeil and advancing the field. Yes, the surgeon is a great parctitioner, but he cannot advance the field of medicine, which is done through pure research relying on theoretical underpinnings. Secondly, without some knowledge of theory, how can he distinguish washing hands from wearing a lab coat - he just imitates what he sees with no understanding?Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-1148520380730629972006-05-24T21:26:00.000-04:002006-05-24T21:26:00.000-04:00not a torah scholar here, but as best i know, bein...not a torah scholar here, but as best i know, being jewish is about actions and not beliefs. scientific and/or spiritual, the surgeon has to use the scalpel.Eliyahuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10427438219763803238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-1148511259282160242006-05-24T18:54:00.000-04:002006-05-24T18:54:00.000-04:003 points1) Medical Doctors and surgeons are neithe...3 points<BR/><BR/>1) Medical Doctors and surgeons are neither scientist, nor are they practitionars of scientific methodology. They expliot scientific data to refine and improve the ART of healing.<BR/><BR/>2) A Doctor who is Orthodox in his theoretical knowledge about the practice of Medicine may be incompetent in his practice. Similarly a Doctor who has heretical beliefs about medicine may excell in the application of his/her skills. That is probably why your Docotor refered you to him/her in the first place.<BR/><BR/>3) Following on from 2), Explioting Chiam B's annalogy, but applying it correctly, Excelent practice (praxi) is the measure of excelence, not dox! Of course Chiam is free not to be operated on by the most skilled surgeon because of the hetrodoxy of that surgeons belief. It is Erroneous of him to question his skills however, or the legitamacy of his practice.<BR/>Yossi | 05.24.06 - 6:55 pm | #Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com