tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post115383603061622813..comments2024-03-28T21:21:02.777-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: The fast of 9 Av - a day of multiple tragediesChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-1153920831262983462006-07-26T09:33:00.000-04:002006-07-26T09:33:00.000-04:001) I think that the idea of shibud malchiyus is in...1) I think that the idea of shibud malchiyus is in a general historical sense, but not that there cannot be periodic lulls. But your approach does seem to fit with the ritva on that gemara who holds that as long as we lack a bais hamikdash, the fasts are obligatory.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-1153880673663617992006-07-25T22:24:00.000-04:002006-07-25T22:24:00.000-04:001)One of the Sages defined the difference between ...1)One of the Sages defined the difference between our era and the Messianic era as being that the Messianic era would lack "the oppression of the gentiles". Which would imply that until the Messiah appears, we will always be under some sort of oppression, and therefore under R. Papa's rule, the fasts are always obligatory.<BR/>2) If one wants to work in the Shoah to the list of tragedies which marked Tisha B'Av, one can--the Nazi invasion of Russia, which expanded the reach of the killers almost exponentially, occurred about two weeks after Tisha B'Av--while not precise, it's as close as the expulsion from Spain was to Tisha B'Av, which I've always seen listed among the tragedies which marked that day. (The war itself began on the Shabbat preceding Rosh HaShanah 5700: make of that fact what you will.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-1153851694249450152006-07-25T14:21:00.000-04:002006-07-25T14:21:00.000-04:00Ther is another distinction in 9 b'av being a day ...Ther is another distinction in 9 b'av being a day of multiple tragedies.The gem yerhsalimi taanis says the reason 9 av is a 24 hour fast unlike (e.g.)17 tammuz is because the tzoros of 9 av happened twice on THAT day unlike 17 tammuz(e.g.By the first BHMK the walls of yerusalyim were broken a few days earliar then 17 tammuz only chazel didn't want to make too many fasts so we remember them both on 17 Tammuz)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com