tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post116620110069190238..comments2024-03-28T21:21:02.777-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: shabbos candles and chanukah candlesChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-1166371501531191392006-12-17T11:05:00.000-05:002006-12-17T11:05:00.000-05:00Bluke, didn't realize you had covered this already...Bluke, didn't realize you had covered this already - I was planning to discuss that Rashba and Rambam, but you beat me to it. Just for the record, I was also planning a post earlier this past week on the Ohr haChaim's take on hashgacha pratis (some time ago I discussed the Chinuch vs. Besh"t on this issue), but you beat me to that as well! <BR/>I have a little bit bl"n to add to what you already said (I assume you saw R' Turtzin's piece, but did you see the shiur written up in Moadei haRav?), but in any event, it is nice to see other jbloggers like yourself writing about these same type issues in halacha and machshava even if it means I have to work a little harder to come up with something new to say : )Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-1166354874345417952006-12-17T06:27:00.000-05:002006-12-17T06:27:00.000-05:00There is a famous Brisker Rav where he explains th...There is a famous Brisker Rav where he explains that the mitzva of lighting Shabbos candles is davka a mitzva of erev shabbos (I believe he is mechalek between kibud (which is erev shabbos) and oneg which is on shabbos). It is supposed to be done on Friday afternoon as preparation for Shabbos and therefore the Rashba's whole proof is out the window. <BR/><BR/>There is a fundamental machlokes the Rashba and the RAmbam what is the nature of the mitzva of Chanuka candles, is it a mitzva of night or night (see <A HREF="http://jewishworker.blogspot.com/2005/12/what-is-nature-of-mitzvah-of-lighting.html" REL="nofollow"> What is the nature of the mitzvah of lighting candles on Chanukka?</A> for a longer explanation). This yesod comes into play here as well.blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-1166203550996224452006-12-15T12:25:00.000-05:002006-12-15T12:25:00.000-05:00>>>Ner Shabbos is a din in the totza'ah-I must hav...>>>Ner Shabbos is a din in the totza'ah-I must have light for Shabbos<BR/><BR/>This depends on the sugya on daf 25 in Shabbos. If it is just the totza'ah that matters, why do you need a hadlakah at all? Lets say you had a candle already burning on Friday - according to some rishonim, you need to extinguish and relight it l'kavod shabbos. You need a ma'aseh hadlakah - it's not enough to say you are only concerned if there is light.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-1166201588826786582006-12-15T11:53:00.000-05:002006-12-15T11:53:00.000-05:00The simple answer is that Ner Shabbos is a din in ...The simple answer is that Ner Shabbos is a din in the totza'ah-I must have light for Shabbos. therefoere, I don't necessarily have to light after a certain time.<BR/>Ner Chanuka is a mitzvah in the hadlakah. I must light by the z'man chiyuv.<BR/><BR/>This could laso get into the issue whether the mitzvah of chanuka is the hadlakah or to show persumei nissa (or both).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com