tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post1498570747562619223..comments2024-03-25T09:43:27.402-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: simcha on rosh chodeshChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-37132423982975741392007-07-17T09:16:00.000-04:002007-07-17T09:16:00.000-04:00Just to add, the Sefer haChinuch holds that the ch...Just to add, the Sefer haChinuch holds that the chatzotzros were sounded every day, so blowing chatzotzros is itself not indicative of simcha.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-67621979242114012672007-07-16T17:15:00.000-04:002007-07-16T17:15:00.000-04:00Just to clarify my last comment -- hence the end o...Just to clarify my last comment -- hence the end of the pasuk usekaatem ba-chatzotzros al oloseichem ve-al zivchei shalmeichem. Clearly just listing the days that have a chiyuv korban in connection with which the chatzotzros are blown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-89971952059627289522007-07-16T17:13:00.000-04:002007-07-16T17:13:00.000-04:00RJM -- sure, the common denominator is that these ...RJM --<BR/><BR/> sure, the common denominator is that these are all of the days that you bring korbanos tzibur that kavua zemanan. That doesn't tell you whether there is an independent chiyuv of simcha (in fact the achronim debate whether such a chiyuv exists on RH, which is clearly included in moadeichem, and very clearly there is no such chiyuv on YK, also included as a moed).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-89115437718172156482007-07-16T16:30:00.000-04:002007-07-16T16:30:00.000-04:00The fact that the passuq links these three things ...The fact that the passuq links these three things - simhatchem, rashei hodsheichem and moadechem - implies that there is a common denominator among them.Rabbi Joshua Maroofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12585369620887846940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-78114962659241315052007-07-16T15:05:00.000-04:002007-07-16T15:05:00.000-04:00Chaim, I think you're right -- I remember the sha...Chaim,<BR/><BR/> I think you're right -- I remember the shabbos piece but I don't remember whether he tied RC in as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-21851854832727947052007-07-16T14:59:00.000-04:002007-07-16T14:59:00.000-04:00I believe this hesber is written up by R' Genack i...I believe this hesber is written up by R' Genack in his sefer (though IIRC it is b'shem R' Moshe Soloveitchik ).Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-60738102911999064982007-07-16T13:56:00.000-04:002007-07-16T13:56:00.000-04:00RJM-Why does the pasuk imply there is simcha on RC...RJM-<BR/><BR/>Why does the pasuk imply there is simcha on RC? All it does is identify 3 times where there is a chiyuv chatzotztros -- on yom simchaschem, moadeichem and RC. The chiyuv simcha for those other days are from other sources (vesamachta bechagecha). There is no other source for simcha on RC.<BR/><BR/>Re: simcha on RC, I always understood (and believe I heard this from others much more leanred than I) that the simcha on RC only stemmed from the korban musaf in the mikdash. Hence in the mikdash there was a concept of simcha but not outside (and if it extended outside of the mikdash, the source of the simcha was the additional avodah in the mikdash). Perhaps the safeik is whether the simcha aspect which is related to the avodas ha-mikdash manifests itself outside of the mikdash.<BR/><BR/> IIRC, I remember hearing a similar hesber in the name of the Rav about yismechu on shabbos. THe sifrei identifies yom simchashchem in the pasuk in Behaaloscha as shabbos (cant be Yom tov or RC because those are taken care of already in the pasuk). The Rav explained that the "machlokes" between nusach sefard and ashkenaz whether we say Yismechu be-malchuscha only in Mussaf on shabbos or also in Shacharis is tied to whether the din of simcha on shabbos is tied to the korban musaf, like RC or if it is inherent in the day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-26755088476875514392007-07-16T10:27:00.000-04:002007-07-16T10:27:00.000-04:00Interestingly the passuq in B'haalotecha says, "On...Interestingly the passuq in B'haalotecha says, "On the days of your joy, on your holidays and on your Rashei Hodashim", implying that the element of festivity does apply to Rosh Hodesh to some extent.Rabbi Joshua Maroofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12585369620887846940noreply@blogger.com