tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post1986096516088914201..comments2024-03-25T09:43:27.402-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: waiting for the sheepChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-34962580133991250962010-11-17T10:32:39.792-05:002010-11-17T10:32:39.792-05:00b-
thanks. Will always accept a beracha, especia...b-<br /><br /> thanks. Will always accept a beracha, especially a nice one like that. See the Seforno at the end of last week's parsha (when Lavan blesses his children and grandchildren before they take leave).anon1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-80205674960743737482010-11-16T19:56:19.067-05:002010-11-16T19:56:19.067-05:00Yasher kochacha. For whatever a birkas heyot is w...Yasher kochacha. For whatever a birkas heyot is worth, <br />מחייה חיים תחייך חיי אריכי לעבדו בלב שלם וללמוד וללמד תורה ברביםbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-13678730918393346362010-11-16T17:53:07.412-05:002010-11-16T17:53:07.412-05:00b-
Yes. Full time employed professional who runs...b- <br /><br />Yes. Full time employed professional who runs/organizes a rotating chaburah among other baalei batim. Kinda like the baal ha-blog here. BH.anon1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-13435989724045975442010-11-16T15:20:32.625-05:002010-11-16T15:20:32.625-05:00Yes, I was. I assumed a chabura giver would be in...Yes, I was. I assumed a chabura giver would be in yeshiva. Was I wrong?bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-61876581286578891962010-11-16T09:15:21.542-05:002010-11-16T09:15:21.542-05:00b -- were you referring to me when you asked about...b -- were you referring to me when you asked about a guy in yeshiva giving chaburos?anon1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-14290531342387710152010-11-15T16:58:31.253-05:002010-11-15T16:58:31.253-05:00Well, if you hold it's chal on the cheftzah, I...Well, if you hold it's chal on the cheftzah, I suppose you can understand why the Rambam needed to prove that it's chall on a DSLBL. On the other hand, it's stam hard to know how you can prove anything from Yaakov. Just because he made the neder you don't see that anything was chall. But, again, if you can bring rayos from Lavan about ein me'arvin and how long a besula has and so on, you can also bring a raya from the fact that Yakov called it maaser, as if it were chall already. But it still needs a yishuv.<br /><br />I want to know why a guy who's in yeshiva, giving chaburos, has time to look at websites, even chashuveh ones like this.bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-29216106069980624262010-11-15T12:04:28.962-05:002010-11-15T12:04:28.962-05:00That Ramban was discussed in the previous posts I ...That Ramban was discussed in the previous posts I referred to. I am guessing you saw Reshimos Shiurim in B.K. on this?Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-83578839471824894682010-11-15T09:29:20.701-05:002010-11-15T09:29:20.701-05:00I actually gave a chaburah on this topic recently....I actually gave a chaburah on this topic recently. See Rambam hilchos arachin perek 6 halachos 31-33. Whether nidrei hekdesh work as chiyuvei gavra or are chal on the cheftza (similar to nidrei issur/reshus) seems to be a machlokes rishonim. See Ramban al ha-torah reis Matos and hasagos le-sefer hamitzvos, aseh 94. Veacm"lanon1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-9212630768224251092010-11-14T10:11:18.983-05:002010-11-14T10:11:18.983-05:00Shu"T Ran writes there are 2 dinim in tzedaka...Shu"T Ran writes there are 2 dinim in tzedaka 1) neder - chal only on a b'ein that exists and on which amiraso l'gavoha applies; 2) shevua - b'ficha zu tzedaka. <br />The sugya in nedarim 8 of nidrei mitzvah may technically be talking about shevua (that was the topic of one of those old posts).<br />If you use a lashon like "harei alay" (i.e. neder language) to pledge tzedaka which you don't have in hand, The Yismach Moshe on this week's parsha (d"h derech shlishi) is mistapek whether your kabalah is chal at all. The Y.M. has a long pilpul to work out the sugyos, but bottom line is Ya'akov was undertaking a kabalas *neder* without having anything in hand and that creates the problem.<br /><br />(P.S. Thank you for getting me to look into this a little more)Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-83234051859204780142010-11-13T18:36:46.765-05:002010-11-13T18:36:46.765-05:00Some old posts on the topic:
1) http://divreichaim...Some old posts on the topic:<br />1) http://divreichaim.blogspot.com/2006/07/nidrei-reshus-vs-nidrei-gavoha-case-of.html<br /><br />2) http://divreichaim.blogspot.com/2006/07/nidrei-tzedaka-shibud-mamon-or-not.html <br />(this one is not written too well -- I should revisit it one day.)Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-9831794421463112782010-11-12T15:47:46.770-05:002010-11-12T15:47:46.770-05:00I was just talking to Rabbi Keller of Telz Yeshiva...I was just talking to Rabbi Keller of Telz Yeshiva, and I was telling him about your saying that it creates a shibud, and how wrong you are, and he said, "I think that Reb Chaim in the stencils shtells tzu nidrei hekdesh to amiraso le'gavo'ah." I told him that I hope he's misremembering, but just in case he's not, here's a contingent apology.bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-20615677234038461132010-11-12T15:36:21.493-05:002010-11-12T15:36:21.493-05:00Really? A shibud is created? And even lu yetzyor...Really? A shibud is created? And even lu yetzyor that you're right, creating a shibud is not called makneh davar shelo ba le'olam. You're creating the shibud on the gavra right now, not the cheftzah that's lo ba le'olam.bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-73564167906151536152010-11-12T14:15:28.436-05:002010-11-12T14:15:28.436-05:00There is a dinei mamonos shibud created -- it'...There is a dinei mamonos shibud created -- it's not like a neder to learn Torah.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-69730049703269319662010-11-12T13:25:08.252-05:002010-11-12T13:25:08.252-05:00If I were the Rogotchover, I could call people nam...If I were the Rogotchover, I could call people names. I don't want to be a "halber illui."<br /><br />A neder to do a mitzvah is not an issur cheftzah, and that's all the Rambam is talking about here. Do you think that the maaser was chal as soon as Yaakov made the neder? Or that as soon as he acquired the sheep or property that the maaser was chal without dibur? Of course not. So there's no issur cheftza here. It's just nidrei mitzvah, it's a promise to do or not do something, and there's no chalos.bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-26065194390072390312010-11-12T12:29:58.695-05:002010-11-12T12:29:58.695-05:00>>>But it would only take one year to gen...>>>But it would only take one year to generate a herd so that maaser could be taken.<br /><br />I had the same question and unfortunately don't have an answer.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-24097798739487963152010-11-12T11:34:48.315-05:002010-11-12T11:34:48.315-05:00> Since sheep that has been acquired is exempt...> Since sheep that has been acquired is exempt from ma’aser beheima, Ya’akov had to accumulate his own flocks. This is also why he kept his sheep separate from Lavan’s, so as to avoid a ta’aroves of those which were chayav in ma’aser with those which were not.<br /><br />But it would only take one year to generate a herd so that maaser could be taken. Also the separation of the flocks was primarily because Yaakov's flocks were also his salary since they decided that any of Lavan's sheep mixed in with Yaakov's would be considered stolen.Garnel Ironhearthttp://garnelironheart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-77331301356072756152010-11-12T10:56:48.141-05:002010-11-12T10:56:48.141-05:00>>>The difference between neder and makdi...>>>The difference between neder and makdish dslb'l is obvious even to children.<br /><br />Call me stupid, but it's not obvious at all. A neder is an issur cheftza -- why is it so pashut that you can create an issur cheftza on something which doesn't exist but you can't be makneh something which doesn't exist? (On this Rambam, see Kli Chemdah end of ois #2, first column on p. 73).<br /><br />The Rog. is built on the fact that the ma'aser pledge seems to be Ya'akov's response to discovering that he's at the makom mikdash. What's the connection? Because ma'aser beheima can be offered only by a yisrael at the makom mikdash, not at a bamah.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-37893705913120366852010-11-12T10:20:43.201-05:002010-11-12T10:20:43.201-05:00The Rogotchover, as you know, was impelled to say ...The Rogotchover, as you know, was impelled to say his pshat because of the odd Rambam that says that there's no chisaron of Davar shelo ba le'olam by nedarim to be makdish, with a raya from Yaakov's kol asher titein. So everyone asks, who needs a raya? The difference between neder and makdish dslb'l is obvious even to children. So the Rgtchvr says it means to obligate him to generate income from which to give maaser. I have to say, though, that the Rambam is still shver. I don't see the Rgtchvr's pshat in the words.bnoreply@blogger.com