tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post2248402132083898220..comments2024-03-28T21:21:02.777-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: kim lei b'derabbah minei and tnaiChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-84868962335061577952007-10-11T19:16:00.000-04:002007-10-11T19:16:00.000-04:00You are right and I think you have to say that the...You are right and I think you have to say that the word patur by the kim leh case in the Rambam was only going on the daled veheh and you are patur on daled vheh because the genaivah is nullified by kim leih. However, the Rambam would agree that the original borrowing is mechayev the keren. The lechem mishna suggests such a reading of the rambameLamdanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07421138991513814819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-20051586423772154712007-10-11T16:58:00.000-04:002007-10-11T16:58:00.000-04:00R' Baruch Ber says your sevara somewhere, but the ...R' Baruch Ber says your sevara somewhere, but the problem is what's good for the goose is good for the gander - so when the yorshim kill the cow that is the moment of gneiva. How do you explain why the property of the father is liable for their ma'aseh gneiva? <BR/>See the Ktzos in 341 (I think that's where it is) who raises a similar problem with the KS"M's answer.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-18781531452878558262007-10-11T16:11:00.001-04:002007-10-11T16:11:00.001-04:00Offhand this answer doesn't sit right with me. If ...Offhand this answer doesn't sit right with me. If I get a chance I'll look into the sources you brought. I know that when it comes to dinim of genaivah there are good sources to say that a maaseh tevicha can be counted as a maaseh genaivah and I think that's what the Rambam is getting at when he says derech genaivah. If I do get a chance to look into it and I have arguments against your answer I'll post it up on my site.eLamdanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07421138991513814819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-54743047048880029922007-10-11T16:11:00.000-04:002007-10-11T16:11:00.000-04:00Offhand this answer doesn't sit right with me. If ...Offhand this answer doesn't sit right with me. If I get a chance I'll look into the sources you brought. I know that when it comes to dinim of genaivah there are good sources to say that a maaseh tevicha can be counted as a maaseh genaivah and I think that's what the Rambam is getting at when he says derech genaivah. If I do get a chance to look into it and I have arguments against your answer I'll post it up on my site.eLamdanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07421138991513814819noreply@blogger.com