tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post2677729532973637090..comments2024-03-28T21:21:02.777-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: bnei reuvain and gad -- mitzvah of kibush ha'retz?Chaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-65519396482709862002010-07-13T10:54:04.554-04:002010-07-13T10:54:04.554-04:00>>>This does not apply when there is real...>>>This does not apply when there is real danger.<br /><br />The D.S. is a little unclear, but if I read him correctly what he means is that there was a very high level of bitachon that a milchemes mitzvah would result in victory. Writing gitin would undermine that faith. There was less certainty that a milchemes reshus would lead to victory, so writing the gitin was accepted a part and parcel of valid hishtadlus.<br /><br />What constitutes appropriate action (i.e. not relying on shomeir mitzvah...) is proportional to the level of bitachon you have going in.<br /><br />Here's a link to the page in the D.S. -- <br />http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=31725&st=&pgnum=232Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-4097811494942305322010-07-12T14:50:21.101-04:002010-07-12T14:50:21.101-04:00Where does Rashi say this? Tosfos seems to explain...Where does Rashi say this? Tosfos seems to explain Rashi that the idea is that if a man does not return then the Get is valid, not that if he dies. Rashi doesn;t say anywhere anything about Yubum that I can find. Check Tosfos on Kesubos 9b. <br /><br />Who says no one else had homes? These two tribes were just the ones that asked if they could stay there and build a life there. Do you have any proof of what you are saying or is it just how you understand it?E-Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327848648278849664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-77691725032847337312010-07-12T13:21:07.271-04:002010-07-12T13:21:07.271-04:00"Hashem promises that anyone engaged in a mit..."Hashem promises that anyone engaged in a mitzvah will not come to harm"<br /><br />This does not apply when there is real danger.sbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-48339746849893134392010-07-12T10:09:05.878-04:002010-07-12T10:09:05.878-04:00>>>I thought the reason they wrote Gittin...>>>I thought the reason they wrote Gittin was because of the problem of Aguna<br /><br />The gemara does not clearly spell out the reason, but at least in Rashi its clear that the point of having a chalos get a moment before you die is to avoid yibum/chalitza, otherwise just rely on death as a matir. <br /><br />The process of chiluk of the land just delayed the formal kinyan, but practically speaking Reuvain and Gad had homes; no one else did. Whether or not the land had kedushas ha'aretz has no bearing on whether there is a kiyum mitzvah of yishuv ha'aretz in settling there.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-25197304342136957552010-07-11T20:53:02.423-04:002010-07-11T20:53:02.423-04:00I mean, if you look at perek 13 it seems to say th...I mean, if you look at perek 13 it seems to say that Gad, Reuvein and half of Sheivet Menasheh only inherited their land at the point when they were dividing up the land for all off the tribes. The only thing is that those two and a half tribes did not need to be part of the goral.E-Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327848648278849664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-17713670257192013402010-07-11T20:08:05.913-04:002010-07-11T20:08:05.913-04:00Also, I thought the land was not divided up until ...Also, I thought the land was not divided up until after they conquered it. So technically, Bnei Gad and Reuven did not get their land, officially, until after Yehoshua divided it up, no?E-Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327848648278849664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-62233005941861160412010-07-11T20:05:24.818-04:002010-07-11T20:05:24.818-04:00I thought the reason they wrote Gittin was because...I thought the reason they wrote Gittin was because of the problem of Aguna. See Gemorah Kesubos daf 9b and shabbos 56a.<br /><br />Rashi says it was a Get Al Tanay and Tosfos says it was a get stam.E-Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327848648278849664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-36017385182020895812010-07-09T15:19:01.747-04:002010-07-09T15:19:01.747-04:00I think what he means is that when it came to figh...I think what he means is that when it came to fighting milchemes mitzvah you can (and should) rely on the potential for a nes to happen (shomer mitzvah lo yeida davar ra) and therefore don't need to write gitin (to do so would undermine bitachon). When it comes to a milchemes reshus there is an issur of ain somchin al ha'nes, so you must write the gitin.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-73958522173267176462010-07-09T14:48:42.228-04:002010-07-09T14:48:42.228-04:00theres a havtacha no one will die in mil mitzvah? ...theres a havtacha no one will die in mil mitzvah? in mil yehoshua no one died?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com