tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post2818490914140788516..comments2024-03-28T21:21:02.777-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: schoolyard halachaChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-80813436301752050432007-05-29T15:32:00.000-04:002007-05-29T15:32:00.000-04:00i think your son and bob have essentially the same...i think your son and bob have essentially the same sevara. 'normal wear and tear' = meis machmas melacha. if he was playing with the ball in the normal, accepted way (i.e., it wasn't a basketball that he kicked) then it is indeed meis machmas melacha.ADDeRabbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749876612695930184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-5233951044792467222007-05-29T13:10:00.000-04:002007-05-29T13:10:00.000-04:00I assumed by ba'alav imo that we who pay tuition o...<I>I assumed by ba'alav imo that we who pay tuition on our son's behalf employ the rebbe, and he as representitve of the school is the owner of the borrowed ball.</I><BR/><BR/>Including the rebbe seems to be overcomplicating things, as you aren't hiring him directly, you're hiring the school. The case seems to reduce to A hires B, B subcontracts the job to C, and A borrows from B - and therefore the subcontracting doesn't have an effect. Your analysis seems to make sense, though, LAnD.Josh M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14414532577328945154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-6076750269452381742007-05-29T09:46:00.000-04:002007-05-29T09:46:00.000-04:00This looks like normal wear and tear that a school...This looks like normal wear and tear that a school would budget for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-46885678601078910302007-05-29T09:21:00.000-04:002007-05-29T09:21:00.000-04:00Yes, machmas melacha is more kal. I assumed by ba'...Yes, machmas melacha is more kal. <BR/><BR/>I assumed by ba'alav imo that we who pay tuition on our son's behalf employ the rebbe, and he as representitve of the school is the owner of the borrowed ball.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-89700535327961098862007-05-29T02:31:00.000-04:002007-05-29T02:31:00.000-04:001) Meisa Machamas Melacha is more Kal, and even a ...1) Meisa Machamas Melacha is more Kal, and even a Shoel is Pattur. The only question is if he kicked it into something else (like a spoke or something) which made it pop, or it popped from the kick itself?<BR/><BR/>2) I think you are correct on being a Socheir anyhow.<BR/><BR/>3) The Rebbe supervising has to do with B'alav Immo? That's a Din in whether the owner of the ball was in the employ of the Sho'el. The physical presence of the Ba'alim is irrelevant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-59636296195439459292007-05-28T17:14:00.000-04:002007-05-28T17:14:00.000-04:00Hmm... my impression was that meisa machmas melach...Hmm... my impression was that meisa machmas melacha was even more kal than stam ones, but it's been a while since I've seen the sugya inside, so I could be mistaken.Josh M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14414532577328945154noreply@blogger.com