tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post2958679760692967234..comments2024-03-25T09:43:27.402-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: thinking like TosfosChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-47527800383995654532012-10-22T00:34:05.086-04:002012-10-22T00:34:05.086-04:00Great analogy- one guy opens the door to a closet ...Great analogy- one guy opens the door to a closet and thinks he found the way out, another sees a slim line of light on the floor and knows how to go.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-5501425616163779812012-10-21T21:26:36.328-04:002012-10-21T21:26:36.328-04:00sass -- the example he gave was sukkah 36b R' ...sass -- the example he gave was sukkah 36b R' Yehudah's kal v'chomer from 4 minim to sukkah to learn that schah must be made from the 4 minim davka. <br /><br />B - I assume that the N.D. (or R' Chaim) was speaking to someone who was also a bar hachi to know the difference between krumkeit and a Tosfos. There are plenty of difficult Tosfos in sha"s -- we know that it's Tosfos so we struggle to say some hesber, but if we were told the same sevara without identifying the source, would we work so hard to understand it? I doubt it. <br /><br />I remember once hearing R' Goldvicht from KBY saying in the name of the Brisker Rav to explain why it is that sometimes a Tosfos will say what sounds like a weak sevara to distinguish between two cases while some acharon says a chiluk that sounds like tremendous lomdus: We are like blind people feeling our way in a dark room. Sometimes the blind person will think he found the way out because he feels a huge opening, but he is actually just walking into the closet. The person who can see recognizes that what feels like a little crack in the wall is actually the door.chaim b.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-45799521191721284602012-10-19T11:54:35.099-04:002012-10-19T11:54:35.099-04:00regarding the story with Adam's name- I rememb...regarding the story with Adam's name- I remember a certain flaming baal gaava that was asked how he could say Nafshi Ke'afar lakol tihyeh in the end of shmoneh esrei. He answered that he has in mind the afar in midtown manhattan.<br /><br />As far as not being able to know what tosfos can or can't say, I would suggest that while it's impossible to anticipate what tosfos would say, you can always recognize a krumkeit and know what tosfos wouldn't say. Even if it's not 100% krum, it could be too krum for tosfos and still be fine for many achronim. My father told me that there was a talmid of Slabodka in Europe that was in love with the Rshba and knew every rashba available, and he would recognize after one sentence whether something was authored by the Rashba or not.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-82428728532142737122012-10-19T10:52:57.416-04:002012-10-19T10:52:57.416-04:00What gemara in Sukkah did R Jaeger say is incompre...What gemara in Sukkah did R Jaeger say is incomprehensible?sassnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-67093325066388698122012-10-18T21:57:21.153-04:002012-10-18T21:57:21.153-04:00>>>isn't the simple understanding tha...>>>isn't the simple understanding that it is referring to the ground - which he was created from?<br /><br />Exactly why the Sefas Emes' reading is creative and insightful.<br /><br />Daniel,<br />Take a look at the Mizrachi or Gur Aryeh too. The talis is a beged of kavod; it is the reward for showing kavod by covering Noach with a beged. I am not sure how you would explain why Yefet was zocheh to kevurah (also a function of dignity) if it is all based on the hey of hasimla.<br /><br />I was thinking though that your diyuk answers a stira in Rashi. Rashi later writes that Avraham was zocheh to tzitzis because he said that he will not take m'chut ad seroch na'al. The meforshei Rashi (actually even earlier the Tur asks it) ask that we see already here that Shem was zocheh in tzitzis and Avraham was his descendent. Maybe you can answer that here he was zocheh to the beged; later he was zocheh to the tzitis strings. Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-55175038836601207542012-10-16T20:37:06.740-04:002012-10-16T20:37:06.740-04:00forgot to add the link for B"R
http://www.da...forgot to add the link for B"R <br />http://www.daat.co.il/daat/tanach/raba1/36.htmDanielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04703845596227974473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-85153043366062163132012-10-16T20:36:34.079-04:002012-10-16T20:36:34.079-04:00re: #4 -- I haven't looked at the מתנות כהונה ...re: #4 -- I haven't looked at the מתנות כהונה over there in בראשית רבה לו ו but it could be that the השמלה is the reason chazal darshen שממנו זכה לטלית. It would actually explain the language of זכה לטלית and not זכה לציצית nicely. Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04703845596227974473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-4071572483720596062012-10-16T03:43:58.106-04:002012-10-16T03:43:58.106-04:00What?What?Torah islandhttp://www.tzorichiyun.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-527186111721490722012-10-16T03:04:08.143-04:002012-10-16T03:04:08.143-04:001. better to do mussar l'chatchillah, lest man...1. better to do mussar l'chatchillah, lest man come to sin--<br />la'avode et-ha'adamah, 2:5<br /><br />4. "the" garment of adam ha'rishon that Noach received, that Shem & Yefes<br />passingly render a secondary garment by draping it over their own clothed<br />shoulders; secondary, because their father was 'not' naked to them, 'not'<br />lacking primary clothing (they passed him an overcoat, as it were)...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-87338429750823792242012-10-16T00:02:39.499-04:002012-10-16T00:02:39.499-04:00I like #2 (not to the exclusion of the others).
...I like #2 (not to the exclusion of the others).<br /><br /> I imagine though that the dilemma facing Chava was more than just temptation vs. moral confusion upon eating fruit. I would think that G-D's command would be the deterrent, not the fact that there would be a negative result. <br /><br />As a side point, what was their understanding of "ra"? If they only got their Yetzer Hara, and understanding of tov v'ra, after the sin - then what did chava think tov v'ra was? How in fact did she know it meant moral confusion?<br /><br />Thanks<br />Torah Islandhttp://www.tzorichiyun.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-47440342275532825872012-10-15T23:50:24.794-04:002012-10-15T23:50:24.794-04:00I don't really understand the question in #1. ...I don't really understand the question in #1. You seem to be assuming "ha'adamah asher lukach m'sham" is referring to Gan Eden - the place he was taken from.<br /><br />But isn't the simple understanding that it is referring to the ground - which he was created from? Torah Islandhttp://www.tzorichiyun.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com