tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post3975129330690113440..comments2024-03-25T09:43:27.402-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: why halacha is like Beis HillelChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-50235699124652128322013-05-09T17:48:28.914-04:002013-05-09T17:48:28.914-04:00That is, I25WOL, R' Zevin's approach. R&#...That is, I25WOL, R' Zevin's approach. R' Yosef Engel applies the same to the machlokes of B'Nissan nivra ha'olam or b'Tishrei. As in, originally, b'koach, the bri'ah was supposed to be b'din...great Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15728976902210831137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-17988340102300646742013-05-09T15:50:44.350-04:002013-05-09T15:50:44.350-04:00>>>There is a similar common-thread analy...>>>There is a similar common-thread analysis in Rav Zevin's Ishim v'Shitot.<br /><br />The L. Rebbe has an approach I think based on a distinction between b'koach vs. b'poel. (Does R' Zevin say the same? I don't have the sefer at home to check.)<br />R' Yosef Engel also shows the kamus/eichus issue working l'shitaso in the tanur shel Achna'i sugya (R' Eliezer = Shamuti).Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-39512214352921848882013-05-09T15:33:52.346-04:002013-05-09T15:33:52.346-04:00Thanks for your comments and Mekoros. IYH I will t...Thanks for your comments and Mekoros. IYH I will take a look.<br />Incidentally, I think I stumbled over a Tosfos today by the Tanor shel Achnai sugya which says that a Bas Kol paskened like BH (some place or maybe in all siuations) because BH was greater in number and Acharei Rabim L'Hatos... jake lassonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213011522326136813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-14656218021343493102013-05-08T18:45:04.063-04:002013-05-08T18:45:04.063-04:00The gemora, Eruvin 13b, records a dispute/dialog b...The gemora, Eruvin 13b, records a dispute/dialog between BH/BS<br />that extended over 2 1/2 years, but which they eventually<br />resolved.<br /><br />It would appear that the "one-liners" are the distilled conflicting<br />opinions after they had reached an impasse. <br /><br />This issue, incidentally, speaks to an essential point of what psak<br />halacha is. While in general, Bais Hillel should have been controlling<br />because of Acharei Rabbim, and they were the numerical majority, Bais<br />Shammai felt that their superior lomdus trumped that. A typical quality<br />vs. quantity issue.<br /><br />In fact, the yud ches devarim the beginning of Shabbos was an example of<br />Bais Shammai using a [temporary, 'chance', enforced by violence] numerical <br />superiority to establish certain halachot according to their psak. I would<br />love to know why they picked those apparently arcane halachot to pasken on <br />definitively [why they granted cert] as opposed to much more central ones like <br />tzoras ervah, shulchano b'toch habayis, etc.<br /><br />However, if I die with that the only unresolved question in nigla I have, I will be<br />reasonably happy. <br /><br />On this topic, I tend to reference the [beautiful/magnificent/awesome] drush of <br />the Malbim on chumash, at the beginning of chukas. It's not apparent at the beginning<br />[and it's a long ramified drush] but it eventually gives an overarching philosophical <br />underpinning for most of if not all machloksim between Bais Hillel and Bais Shammai.<br /><br />There is a similar common-thread analysis in Rav Zevin's Ishim v'Shitot.great Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15728976902210831137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-49414870299121161462013-05-08T16:41:28.597-04:002013-05-08T16:41:28.597-04:00I liked this post but I think you have elaborated ...<br />I liked this post but I think you have elaborated (pontificated :) more on the implications of this topic...<br />Is this to say that BS did not as well consider the opinion of BH first? Why wouldn’t they have? Did BH and BS not live (meaning the Talmidim or whatever "Beis" means here)at the same time? If they did, couldn't they have had an ongoing dialogue about an issue? Is there a chronological issue at play here? I’m a bit confused.<br />It's interesting because when we quote BH and BS having a one line dispute - presumably the people behind these statements were doing much more analysis (that goes unrecorded-?)<br />I guess I have to do some more BS/BH research...<br />[ I made some additional remaarks - can't figure out how to edit...]jake lassonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213011522326136813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-81645265202649417392013-05-08T16:38:09.236-04:002013-05-08T16:38:09.236-04:00I liked this post but I think you have elaborated ...I liked this post but I think you have elaborated (pontificated :) more on the implications of this topic...<br />Is this to say that BS did not consider the opinion of BH first? Did BH and BS not live (meaning the Talmidim or whatever "Beis" means here)at the same time? If they did, couldn't they have had an ongoing dialogue about an issue?<br />It's interesting because when we quote BH and BS having a one line dispute - presumably the people behind these statements were doing much more analysis (that goes unrecorded-?)<br />I guess I have to do some more BS/BH research...<br />jake lassonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213011522326136813noreply@blogger.com