tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post5473887273036341317..comments2024-03-25T09:43:27.402-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: bal tosif and adding tekiyosChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-71778320633325073322009-09-15T16:12:12.351-04:002009-09-15T16:12:12.351-04:00Unless the right of Chazal to add things is not ab...Unless the right of Chazal to add things is not absolute, but instead limited to expanding the kiyum, either by requiring that it be done several times, or on additional days. If Chazal would tell us to wear a bayis with five parshios, they and we would be over on Bal Tosif.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-6468340943801300992009-09-15T14:53:48.944-04:002009-09-15T14:53:48.944-04:00Yes - except it leaves us with your question of wh...Yes - except it leaves us with your question of why you would think that Chazal cannot be over bal tosif when adding to the chiyuv of shofar but could be over bal tosif when adding to the kiyum. (In other words, I'm with the Pnei Yehoshua on this, not the Turei Even and R' Shach)Akivahttp://www.torahexchange.proboards.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-57454522133081676482009-09-15T14:41:57.977-04:002009-09-15T14:41:57.977-04:00Akiva, this post is a continuation to the previous...Akiva, this post is a continuation to the previous one which dealt with the Rambam/Ra'avad - ayein l'eil. <br />You are creating a machlokes Tos. and the Ra'avad, but by working with the split between the chiyuv and the kiyum you can support both views and have your cake and eat it too.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-19604376901119303152009-09-15T14:32:16.203-04:002009-09-15T14:32:16.203-04:00I actually went through a lot of these m'koros...I actually went through a lot of these m'koros for a shiur on Bal Tosif this Shavuos - good places to look for further explanation are the Sefer Hachinuch and Minchas Chinuch on Bal Tosif and the machlokes between the Rambam and Raavad on whether Chazal would be over Bal Tosif if they presented an issur D'Rabanan as an issur d'oraisa (Rambam holds that if Chazal had said that eating chicken and dairy together was assur d'oraisa, they would be over Bal Tosif; Raavad says not). <br /><br />In other words, the machlokes is precisely over whether Rabbinic pronouncements are "categorically excluded from Bal Tosif" or not. (Mitzad svara, you can say that the argument is whether Bal Tosif is about authority - i.e. "<b>you</b> cannot add to the mitzvos in the Torah, because you lack authority, but Chazal can" [the position of the Raavad] - or about the negative implication that Torah is not perfect as-is [the Sefer Hachinuch's explanation of the taam mitzvah for Bal Tosif, which wouldn't automatically exempt Chazal and which therefore would explain the position of the Rambam])<br /><br />Given that machlokes, you can say that the Rashba clearly sides with the Raavad in holding that Bal Tosif simply has no application to Rabbinic law at all, and Tosfos holds that no, Bal Tosif <i>does</i> have potential application to Rabbinic law, and he therefore must come up with an explanation of why in this case, it is not Bal Tosif.Akivahttp://www.torahexchange.proboards.comnoreply@blogger.com