tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post5802133380808635725..comments2024-03-28T21:21:02.777-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: bitachon (II)Chaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-61906613446800960592008-12-15T12:56:00.000-05:002008-12-15T12:56:00.000-05:00Which mussar seforim are you referring to in parti...<I>Which mussar seforim are you referring to in particular?</I><BR/><BR/>I don't recall the specific seforim, but I do remember seeing the Gaon say that Bitochen is not dependent on one's persoanl zchusim, as well as the Chofetz Chaim saying that the Tefilos of a Rosho can be answered in the merit of his acknowledgment that all comes from Hashem and turning to him. <BR/><BR/><I>I'm not sure how what you answered resolved the question re: Ya'akov. Why would the bitachon of a rasha override his deserving punishment, but not work for Ya'akov? </I><BR/><BR/>As I indicated above Bitochen of a Roshe might not help for a <B>cause and effect onesh</B> that one is aware of (to avoid saying Hashem is a Vatran); which explains Yaakov's concern that maybe he was being chonef L'Roshe by saying 'Avdech Yaakov etc; which in turn would cause 'Kol H'Chonif L'Rosho Sofo Nofel B'Tzido', or as the Kli Yakar continues he was <B>not</B> afraid of Esav personally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-72876444395112580932008-12-15T11:48:00.000-05:002008-12-15T11:48:00.000-05:00I just started to write a post on that Midrash and...I just started to write a post on that Midrash and noticed your comments. Which mussar seforim are you referring to in particular?<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure how what you answered resolved the question re: Ya'akov. Why would the bitachon of a rasha override his deserving punishment, but not work for Ya'akov? Re: milchama - the ptur for the yarei maybe davka because he failed the test of bitachon, but that's not the ideal.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-65108888562300555892008-12-15T11:36:00.000-05:002008-12-15T11:36:00.000-05:00If a person is suffering because his/her behavior ...<I> If a person is suffering because his/her behavior warranted G-d's punishment (and the principle of schar v'onesh suggests that all punishment is ultimately just), then by what right does that person have to demand salavation from G-d? As noted earlier, hashgacha-protection is promised to the righteous. How can bitachon deliver the same promise to all?</I><BR/><BR/>The Medrash on the posuk of 'Rabim M'Coavin L'Rosho V'Hbotedch B'Hashem Chesed Y'Sovovenu' indeed say that even a Rosho who receives Yissurim <B>because</B> he is a Rosho, will have those Yissurim removed if he has true Bitochan in Hashem.The reason given in Musser Seforim in one with such Bitochen deserves to have his Yissurim removed.<BR/><BR/>In relation to Yaakov; many Rishonim ask that question.(e.g.)The Kli Yakar for example says (1) he was scared that maybe Yitchock had died as Esav wouldn't fight with him when Yitchock was alive (2)Kol H'Chonif L'rosha Sofo Nofole L'Yodo.Perhaps his prior greeting would make him deserve to fall in the hand of Esav.(Presumably the Medrash above doesn't apply to a specific cause and effect Onesh or refers to a Rosho too simple minded to realize he is receiving an Onesh.)And another reason.<BR/><BR/>The Posuk in Thelim of 'Im Tachne Ali Machne Lo Yiro Leebey etc'does seem to imply not be afraid of a war.So does the Petur Milchoma for A Yorey V'Rach H'Lev.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com