tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post6337779446507652067..comments2024-03-25T09:43:27.402-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: education is not about having a good jobChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-74560153173552122352018-01-01T21:40:57.963-05:002018-01-01T21:40:57.963-05:00>>>We're all just drones, and we shou...>>>We're all just drones, and we should simply follow orders.<br /><br />Resist! : )<br />Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-64412693187754539182018-01-01T21:39:12.880-05:002018-01-01T21:39:12.880-05:00R' Twerski links to a NY Times article where t...R' Twerski links to a NY Times article where the complaint alleged is "that several dozen yeshivas in New York City fell short of the state requirement that they provide an education “at least substantially equivalent” to that offered in public schools." That has nothing to do with making a living -- it's about meeting the basic obligation of providing an education to students.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-23074245755371929322018-01-01T21:33:24.438-05:002018-01-01T21:33:24.438-05:00If this is truly their shita, why do teach history...If this is truly their shita, why do teach history, biology, algebra, etc? I don't know of any schools in NY (or the US for that matter) that are Torah only.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-58629633146570567102018-01-01T15:26:21.251-05:002018-01-01T15:26:21.251-05:00To be fair, R. Twerski was addressing the claim th...To be fair, R. Twerski was addressing the claim that the charedi education does not prepare one for making a living - he was not attempting to address whether or not it is lacking in other areas. dlzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08269900740743979382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-13938094591714681892018-01-01T14:15:03.446-05:002018-01-01T14:15:03.446-05:00I can't say that a liberal education, in Plato...I can't say that a liberal education, in Plato's sense of the education that gives the skills necessary for a free man to participate in civic life, is essential. I know many great, great men who knew nothing but Torah, and their understanding and advice was as if it came from God Himself (see Shmuel II 16:23.) But for most of us, the need to stand off from the characters in Tanach, and to view them as superhumanly great or horribly evil makes it difficult to see one's self and one's life in their stories. Shakespeare, on the other hand, that I understand. Or Tolstoy, or, most often, Flannery O'Connor. I can identify with those stories and those characters and they enhance my insight. Same thing with history. Our history has been cleansed, as encouraged by Rav Schwab and his spritual predecessors. To get a true understanding of the down and dirty, you have to read other accounts of the past. <br />But the average person, and greatest, don't need for that kind of liberal education. We're all just drones, and we should simply follow orders. Who needs it? Civic and corporate leaders.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-7607449416393828692018-01-01T13:45:48.292-05:002018-01-01T13:45:48.292-05:00Doesn't this essay presume Mod-O of the styles...Doesn't this essay presume Mod-O of the styles of the Rav or R' Aharon Lichtenstein? When discussing chareidi education, do the people under discussion accept your givens?<br /><br />Leshitasam, "hafoch bah vehafoch bah dekulo bah" means that everything they need to know to be well-rounded human beings is already in the Torah.micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-240505025122701972018-01-01T00:00:21.655-05:002018-01-01T00:00:21.655-05:00"to learn about other parts of the world"..."to learn about other parts of the world"<br /><br />Moshe searched out first, darosh, incidents in his own backyard, and later<br />searched to know, darash, about the offerings of regional peoples*; by the latter investigation he tried to understand what could've moved Nadav and Avihu to offer aish zara; moreover, thought he, by understanding what the<br />various cults of the world are seeking, what they recognize, what makes them tick, the better will the [third] Temple be a House which elevates and satisfies all peoples...<br /><br />Vayikra 10:16<br /><br />* 'anthropology' before it's timeAlonzo Nakatomihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13218406401602847328noreply@blogger.com