tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post6538721521486647589..comments2024-03-25T09:43:27.402-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: the most important thing to daven forChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-70456384286653680152014-09-27T22:22:56.141-04:002014-09-27T22:22:56.141-04:00Thanks for the sources and the great chilukim.
Re...Thanks for the sources and the great chilukim.<br /><br />Regarding my second answer, I was suggesting that Bnei Yisroel's prayer for their own salvation was similar to the landowner's prayer for a specific crop. As long as the landowner knows which crop to pray for he doesn't have to specify every single type of catastrophe that could happen. So too, as long as Bnei Yisroel were praying for themselves, they didn't have to specify each and every nation that could possibly destroy them. DBShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16104544752228234857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-53742619160007920092014-09-24T15:23:12.687-04:002014-09-24T15:23:12.687-04:00The Meshech Chochma flips your argument around and...The Meshech Chochma flips your argument around and says that Amalek use of the tactic of disguise proves the point the gemara is making (http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14061&st=&pgnum=292). <br /><br />I did a post back in 2006 looking at it as you do, from BN"Y's perspective, asking your question: http://divreichaim.blogspot.com/2006/07/general-vs-specific-tefillah-and.html <br />The post is not very well written (I never bother to go back and edit), but in a nutshell, three things you can say:<br />1) Difference between kol and tefilah -- Hashem responded to the kol, not the words. <br />2) Difference between having enough of a guarantee to make a dinei mamonos claim against another party and Hashem going lifnim m'shuras hadin to help even though there is no guarantee he will or has to.<br />3) BN"Y had no choice, since they did not know who the enemy was. The farmer has a choice, since he knows what is being planted. In retrospect, this is a weak answer. B'pashtus they either thought the enemy was Amalek or Canaan, but who says they were confused? Efshar yes, efshar no.<br /><br />I don't know why I didn't think of it then, but it seems like the simplest answer is maybe there is a difference between tefilah of the rabim and tefilah of the yachid. Amalek's hava amina was that there is no such chiluk between the rules as applied to the individual and the rules that apply to Klal Yisrael as a whole.<br /><br />I'm not sure about your second answer. If physical salvation is a specific thing, then why is parnasa -- even if the crop is not specified -- not specific enough?<br /><br />Kesiva v'chasima tova!Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-33146609490979025652014-09-24T12:48:13.281-04:002014-09-24T12:48:13.281-04:00According to this Tosofot, I guess Klal Yisroel we...According to this Tosofot, I guess Klal Yisroel were relying on a miracle when Amalek attacked and they didn't specify who their enemy was in their prayers. Or maybe that was specific enough since either way they were davening for physical salvation.DBShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16104544752228234857noreply@blogger.com