tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post6747250527316956484..comments2024-03-25T09:43:27.402-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: siyum on ta'anis bechorim (II)Chaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-46970680700641181132008-04-14T22:02:00.000-04:002008-04-14T22:02:00.000-04:00nowadays all taaneisim have a din of taanis yachid...nowadays all taaneisim have a din of taanis yachid. would that mean that if one eats on taanis esther, one can resechedule?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-6887880831182116082008-04-14T17:23:00.000-04:002008-04-14T17:23:00.000-04:00no, just hit the post button 2x. removed one.no, just hit the post button 2x. removed one.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-21934527550011820092008-04-14T16:44:00.000-04:002008-04-14T16:44:00.000-04:00Did you post twice to make fun of my statement tha...Did you post twice to make fun of my statement that anything with two dinim is already better?Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-85667608881413389612008-04-14T11:35:00.001-04:002008-04-14T11:35:00.001-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-9348509378445295902008-04-14T11:35:00.000-04:002008-04-14T11:35:00.000-04:00I don't buy it at all. When you were mekabeil ta'...I don't buy it at all. When you were mekabeil ta'anis and ate, your ta'anis is gone. That's why you need to make it up some other time. And since it is gone, keep eating. By a ta'anis tzibur it is not in your power to reschedule.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-34554703099325726332008-04-14T10:06:00.000-04:002008-04-14T10:06:00.000-04:00First of all, as soon as you have 'two dinim,' it'...First of all, as soon as you have 'two dinim,' it's automatically better. Second, the fact is that on a regular taanis, if you eat by mistake or for choli, you still have to not eat the rest of the day. But if you were mekabeil taanis because of a neder to fast one day, and you ate, you can eat the rest of the day and be mashlim some other time. So you see that there are two dinim-- a general issur achila, and a sheim taanis.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-31697396217188836062008-04-14T09:16:00.000-04:002008-04-14T09:16:00.000-04:00>>>because there are two dinim: Mitzvas Taanis and...>>>because there are two dinim: Mitzvas Taanis and Issur Achila. Eating will irreparably end the former, but the latter remains in force. Taanis Bechoros, he says, is only a Mitzvas Taanis, not an issur achila. <BR/><BR/>I like the Arugas haBosem better than this! Isn't ta'anis by definition an issur achila? M'heica teisi l'chaleik?Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-22715780515441295312008-04-14T04:10:00.000-04:002008-04-14T04:10:00.000-04:00The rest saysואני אגלה לך קצת הסוד ברמז בהיותך בן ...The rest says<BR/>ואני אגלה לך קצת הסוד ברמז בהיותך בן שלשים ושלש תדענו".<BR/>so when you look 33 posukim later<BR/>it says ולא יזבחו עוד את זבחיהם לשעירים<BR/>Refering to SHaydim sacrificesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-43206236502841771662008-04-14T02:52:00.000-04:002008-04-14T02:52:00.000-04:00וְהַשָּׂעִיר, אֲשֶׁר עָלָה עָלָיו הַגּוֹרָל לַעֲזָ...וְהַשָּׂעִיר, אֲשֶׁר עָלָה עָלָיו הַגּוֹרָל לַעֲזָאזֵל.<BR/>The Ibn Ezra says on this Posuk<BR/>כי המשתלח איננו קרבן, כי לא ישחט, ואם יכולת להבין הסוד, שהוא אחר מלת עזאזל, תדע סודו<BR/>The Chasam Sofer says if you take it at its literal level you can actually see the secret of the שָּׂעִיר לַעֲזָאזֵל.When you take the Letters after the word עֲזָאזֵל you get the letters <BR/>פ-ח-ב-ח-מ.The significance of these letters lies even deeper you add up the numerical value of the letters you get 138.What then is the significance of 138? Pesach is the significance as 138 equals חמץ. Then now we have it .What is the secret of the שָּׂעִיר לַעֲזָאזֵל it is חמץ which everyone knows represents the Yetzer Hara.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-53729885017909955822008-04-13T23:14:00.000-04:002008-04-13T23:14:00.000-04:00I just saw the Mikra'ei Kodesh, from Rav Frank et ...I just saw the Mikra'ei Kodesh, from Rav Frank et fil, talks about this; Pesach II siman 22 (page 82). He brings one opinion that explains that on a normal taanis, if you accidentally eat during the day, it's still asur to eat the rest of the day, because there are two dinim: Mitzvas Taanis and Issur Achila. Eating will irreparably end the former, but the latter remains in force. Taanis Bechoros, he says, is only a Mitzvas Taanis, not an issur achila. <BR/><BR/>He himself explains that any taanis that is only a minhag was instituted only such that there is no minhag to fast when there is a seudas mitzvah.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-54070597140027795822008-04-11T15:42:00.000-04:002008-04-11T15:42:00.000-04:00Yes, but I think it's a creative point and sharp. ...Yes, but I think it's a creative point and sharp. Whether it is right or wrong I'll leave for you to decide.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-86542296519738485932008-04-11T14:45:00.000-04:002008-04-11T14:45:00.000-04:00Dont you think its difficult to say that a siyum i...Dont you think its difficult to say that a siyum is mikayem the fast?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-79730583277597309552008-04-11T14:31:00.000-04:002008-04-11T14:31:00.000-04:00Two problems: 1) By bris even the sandek is includ...Two problems: 1) By bris even the sandek is included. 2) By siyum many achronim limit the # of outsiders - take a look by shavu'a she'chal bo. Just because we are all chayav in limud hatorah doesn't mean anyone can show up and start eating (even though l'ma'aseh that's what is done on ta'anis bechorim).Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-89074613191153865342008-04-11T13:53:00.000-04:002008-04-11T13:53:00.000-04:00I thought you were going to say that the differenc...I thought you were going to say that the difference is this: we seem to pasken that by a bris, the baalei bris are allowed to eat and don't have to be mashlim; the only ones that have to be mashilm are the outsiders, who are only attending in order to enhance the simcha of the baalei bris. By a siyum, on the other hand, we all are the ba'alei simcha, and not outsiders. <BR/>Why are we more baalei simcha by a siyum than by a bris?<BR/>Because the simcha of a bris is not that he is a mahul; it is on the maaseh milah that was done. Where there is a father, the chiyuv is only on the father. But by a siyum, the simcha is on the limud hatorah, and we all are chayov in limud hatorah-- lilmod and le'lameid.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-59439369793983572032008-04-11T13:32:00.000-04:002008-04-11T13:32:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.com