tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post6996705961864864322..comments2024-03-28T21:21:02.777-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: eidim zomimin: does Hashem prevent beis din from making mistakes?Chaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-2087563900703148972020-08-28T00:04:44.932-04:002020-08-28T00:04:44.932-04:00"if the zomimim are discovered before the ver..."if the zomimim are discovered before the verdict is rendered they will be punished as zomimim" After; or before the punishment is carried out. Either would work.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-60961902391795326452020-08-25T21:23:16.741-04:002020-08-25T21:23:16.741-04:00Ramban "1)... and 2)...", no and yes.
...Ramban "1)... and 2)...", no and yes.<br /><br /><br />"Hashem has an active hand in ensuring<br /><br />[1)] beis din does not err." on the contrary, whenever beis din accepts zomimim as true, Hashem cries out, 'My children have defeated Me; My children have defeated Me.'<br /><br />[2)] the innocent are not punished unjustly." where both* zomimim are type [Shemos] 20:13d, they will [as a rule] "get off scott free", since both are only >responding<, >ta'aneh<, to the accused (maybe he'd wronged both severely in the past; or maybe both suspect the accused due to compelling circumstantial factors).<br /><br />where both zomimim are [Shemos] type 23:1b, they will [as a rule] be found out, disqualified by subsequent testimony...<br /><br /><br />*or even just one [is a type 20:13d] -- says Shimon ben Shatach, Makos 5b, both zomimim must be guilty [of 23:1b] for there to be punishment...alonzo maccabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18381573124258826451noreply@blogger.com