tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post8721415995240659980..comments2024-03-25T09:43:27.402-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: 9 Av -- commemoration of the churban or of all tragedies?Chaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-77412360985011510002013-07-17T10:35:40.225-04:002013-07-17T10:35:40.225-04:00Maybe the Rambam compares it to the churban to tel...Maybe the Rambam compares it to the churban to tell us that the loss of Jewish life and/or sovereignty is as important to commemorate as the churban itself. If he had just said tzarah gedolah, we still might think that it should take the back burner when compared to the churban - ka mashma lan that this is as serious even as the churban itself. E.S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09201195904684024251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-88047369218874775262013-07-17T10:34:58.569-04:002013-07-17T10:34:58.569-04:00Maybe the Rambam compares it to the churban to tel...Maybe the Rambam compares it to the churban to tell us that the loss of Jewish life and/or sovereignty is as important to commemorate as the churban itself. If he had just said tzarah gedolah, we still might think that it should take the back burner when compared to the churban - ka mashma lan that this is as serious even as the churban itself. E.S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09201195904684024251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-45580512305785181432013-07-15T13:39:51.632-04:002013-07-15T13:39:51.632-04:00So why not just say "tzarah gedolah" - w...So why not just say "tzarah gedolah" - why the equation specifically to the churban? <br />I was thinking that churban habayis = galus, which would fit with dor hamidbar. Once you are already in galus, do the tragedies of one year or another, or one community or another, belong in the kinos acc. to the Rambam?<br />I can hear it both ways.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-73070810292861889842013-07-15T13:26:33.463-04:002013-07-15T13:26:33.463-04:00The first one on the list -- the decree that dor h...The first one on the list -- the decree that dor hamidbar would die in the desert -- is not clearly linked to the mikdash. Perhaps you can say a nice vort on how it is linked, but at a surface level the fate of dor hamidbar really seems less connected to churban hamikdash than the fall of Beitar. So if Rambam truly needed to explain connections to Mikdash specifically, all the more should he have done so for the dor hamidbar tragedy.<br /><br />Personally I read Rambam as adding these words about Beitar to help explain why it was such a huge tragedy, because the significance of the loss at Beitar is not as self-explanatory as it is for the other four sad events.<br />Stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371365602074869132noreply@blogger.com