tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post8899135168941776000..comments2024-03-28T21:21:02.777-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: meshech chochma on why kayin's offering was rejectedChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-23084287096844261162009-10-23T13:39:00.038-04:002009-10-23T13:39:00.038-04:00Also, nisuch hamayim is not considered a korban is...Also, nisuch hamayim is not considered a korban is it?E-Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327848648278849664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-35529231647651751152009-10-23T13:37:59.256-04:002009-10-23T13:37:59.256-04:00The point I am trying to make here is that accordi...The point I am trying to make here is that according to the meshech chachma it seems like the work that is done for the sacrifice is what is important. We see that Cain was a tiller of the soil which is supposed to be extremely difficult at that time. So why, according to the meshech chachma was it not accepted? But he was working so hard for that fruit to grow, the sweat of his brow the torah tells us.<br /><br />It just seems like the difference is that Hevel offered the best of his flocks whereas Cain offered the leftovers. Hevel put G-D before himself whereas Cain put himself before G-D. <br /><br />I just don;t understand the meshech chamchma based on the fact that the Torah says being a tiller of land was extremely difficult. His labor was just as intense if not equally so as that of hevel's.E-Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327848648278849664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-5512748432663961142009-10-20T15:23:13.496-04:002009-10-20T15:23:13.496-04:00Well let's see what the pasuk says:Hevel becam...Well let's see what the pasuk says:Hevel became a herder of flocks and Cain became a tiller of the ground. Then it says Cain brought G-D a sacrifice from the fruit of the ground and Hevel brought a sacrifice from his flocks. <br /><br />Earlier it said in perek 3:17 that accursed is the ground because of you, through suffering shall you eat of it all the days of your life. then pasuk 18 says thorns and thistles shall it sprout for you and you shall eat the herb of the field. <br /><br />Here's my point. Cain had the harder job here. Sheep were not cursed, but the ground was cursed. Cain was the tiller of the ground so he brought fruit from the ground. This was a tougher job in general. Hevel brought a sheep. Sheep just need to be led to a green pasture and a body of water and they are happy. If you want to raise them in a place like the sahara desert than that is one thing, but they were in the same place as Cain growing crops, so we know there was water and herbage. <br /><br />The idea of the korban is that you put effort into the korban, so cain put much more effort than hevel. Cain worked the accursed land, by the sweat of his brow. Where in the Torah does it say that hevel raised the sheep by the sweat of his brow?E-Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327848648278849664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-29326604025235503612009-10-20T09:32:09.338-04:002009-10-20T09:32:09.338-04:00How do you know he plowed a field and did no pluck...How do you know he plowed a field and did no pluck a fruit off a tree?Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-83442584764954976002009-10-18T23:07:20.838-04:002009-10-18T23:07:20.838-04:00A problem I have with this is that plowing the fie...A problem I have with this is that plowing the field in the time of kayin and hevel was a very hard task. Remember, the earth was cursed and plowing the field was supposedly very difficult. After Noach it got easier, but in the times of adam the field was a very hard task.E-Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327848648278849664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-87667765678902411782009-10-16T16:57:47.499-04:002009-10-16T16:57:47.499-04:00but nisuch hamayim is somewhat different. Fruits, ...but nisuch hamayim is somewhat different. Fruits, too, are offered as bikkurim. <br />On the offerings of the 2 brothers, I remember seeing somewhere that it is a source for shatnez. Hevel's offering of sheep represents the wool, and Cain's offering of flax represents the linen.Ariella's bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409352047101582583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-29065521894303670312009-10-16T12:51:39.827-04:002009-10-16T12:51:39.827-04:00Good kashe.Good kashe.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-85851273002397300892009-10-16T12:40:29.769-04:002009-10-16T12:40:29.769-04:00What about nisuch hamayim?What about nisuch hamayim?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-50346353860924974542009-10-16T08:23:52.163-04:002009-10-16T08:23:52.163-04:00The honey just dripped from the dates, no processi...The honey just dripped from the dates, no processing required. <br />I don't get the whole wheat -- is that a question?<br />I don't think this point is related to any larger theory about kedusha - take a look at how he expresses it inside.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-12686180089575983962009-10-16T08:18:58.606-04:002009-10-16T08:18:58.606-04:00Is the manufacturing process for "date honey&...Is the manufacturing process for "date honey" not as arduous as the manufacturing process for wine ?<br />Or was/is the "date honey" readily available as the dates "came of age" ?<br /><br /><br />jaded topazAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-27988406335330027892009-10-15T22:59:37.345-04:002009-10-15T22:59:37.345-04:00How about whole wheat? Surely there is plowing, s...How about whole wheat? Surely there is plowing, sewing, and reaping involved?Daas Yochidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-42861890762742969372009-10-15T15:48:26.829-04:002009-10-15T15:48:26.829-04:00I wonder if this is related to the Meshech Chokhma...I wonder if this is related to the Meshech Chokhmah's general principle that qedushah isn't inherent in objects or places, but is imbued by the people who act with them.<br /><br />-michamicha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.com