tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post92125047169476441..comments2024-03-28T21:21:02.777-04:00Comments on Divrei Chaim: mitzvah habaah b'aveira by dinim derabbananChaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-27221081167153038962021-03-22T16:43:56.169-04:002021-03-22T16:43:56.169-04:00see toras chesed orach chayim siman 31see toras chesed orach chayim siman 31Emrei Eliezerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15510753374047773727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-30730630212824279052021-03-22T09:02:59.566-04:002021-03-22T09:02:59.566-04:00So why should this sevara not apply to the latter ...So why should this sevara not apply to the latter days of Y"T? If the cheftza is not a good cheftza shel mitzvah, what's the difference if you are talking day 1 or chol hamoed?Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-51803311879392903892021-03-22T03:55:20.820-04:002021-03-22T03:55:20.820-04:00"How do you get these two halachos to fit tog..."How do you get these two halachos to fit together?"<br /><br /><br />on the one hand "not yotzei", because an aveira d'oraysa [theft] negates the means to a mitzvah derabbanan;<br />on the other hand "yotzei", because a mitzvah derabbanan requires less stringent conditions for its fulfillment ["habaah baveira" doesn't negate].<br /><br />so why is the stolen shirt useless but the stolen lulav okay, rather than the reverse? because there was a time when the original owner of the lulav would have welcomed the potential thief as a borrower; the owner of the garment would never agree to lend it for destruction...alonzo maccabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18381573124258826451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-69795560839368352192021-03-22T02:20:15.555-04:002021-03-22T02:20:15.555-04:00Oops, that is missing its first sentence:
In the ...Oops, that is missing its first sentence:<br /><br />In the Yerushalmi, the phrase isn't מצוה הבאה בעבירה, but variants of שנעשה שניגורו קטיגורו. (That exact phrase is from Sukkah, vilna 12a.) The language implies ...micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20173285.post-35519022384117383142021-03-22T02:17:03.443-04:002021-03-22T02:17:03.443-04:00The language implies specifically that the cheftza...The language implies specifically that the cheftza was obtained through an issur, making it a קטיגר. I would therefore learn גופה עבירה vs עבר עבירה along the same חפצה vs גברה lines. The stolen matzah is a גופא עבירה because the cheftza (גופא) is the object of the cheit. Tearing clothing store n Shabbos involves a shirt that wasn't made a קטיגר, the גברה was עבר עבירה.micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.com