R’ Wahrman z”l suggested that we can use the chiddush of R’ Ya’akov
Emden that we have been discussing (here and here) to answer this question as
well. Since in the case of ner chanukah
the brachos are part of the definition of the cheftza shel mitzvah, they must
go hand in hand with lighting -- a ner lit without brachos is not a ner chanukah. In the case of other mitzvos and minhagim,
the brachos are separate from the ma’aseh mitzvah itself.
The GR”A comments on this din in S.A. that the lighting of menorah
is like hallel on leil Pesach, which is said even according to the Beis Yosef in
shul with a bracha for the sake of pirsumei nisa (the Rama disagrees and says
hallel is only said at home as part of the haggadah). Apparently the kiyum of pirsumei nisa, even
if done only as part of a minhag, warrants its own brachos.
I once heard from a talmid chacham that the reason we do hadlakas
neiros between mincha and ma’ariv in shul rather than wait until after ma'ariv is not simply because if we wait
until after ma’ariv everyone will run out (see M.B.), but rather because we
need a “shem tzibur” to accomplish pirsumei nisa. Since ma’ariv is yet to be davened, that
collective unit of a tzibur still exists at the time of hadlakah. However, once ma’ariv is finished and people
are prepared to leave, there is no halachic “glue” so to speak that defines the
group as a tzibur anymore. There may be
10 people standing around, but that does not mean they form a cohesive unit
called a tzibur.
You said "once ma’ariv is finished and people are prepared to leave, there is no halachic “glue” so to speak that defines the group as a tzibur anymore"
ReplyDeleteso when a askenaz shul creates an ad hoc hallel, post the pesach marriv they accomplish nil ?
I would say the difference is that hallel is by definition part of tefilah; hadlakah is not. You don't say, "I'm done davening -- now let me say hallel" -- hallel is part and parcel of tefilah.
DeleteIt's not the same type of hallel, but I think it still proves the point: the kaddish tiskabel in davening this morning comes after hallel, not in between the chazaras ha'shatz and hallel.
According to RAE what makes the candles a hanukiyah in shul at shacarit?
ReplyDeleteWho says they have to be?
DeleteThe thing about chalos shem tzibur is from the Rav (I believe in the name of R Chaim, see Nefesh Harav and Harerei Kedem.) The Rav indeed made the point raised above, that the ad-hoc hallels are no good, and don't fulfill the requirement of tzibur.
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