What is the machlokes all about? You could learn that the debate revolves
around the question of whether mitzvos tzrichos kavanah or not. Rav Huna holds that since mitzvos tzrichos
kavanah, even if you eat maror as karpas, it doesn’t matter, because you have no
intent at that moment to fulfill the mitzvah of maror. Later, when you intend to do the mitzvah, you recite the bracha. Rav Chisda holds that mitzvos ain tzrichos
kavanah and therefore whether you intend it or not, when you eat maror as karpas, you
fulfill the mitzvah of maror and should say the birchas hamitzvah.
Tosfos rejects this interpretation. If Rav Chisda’s point was that mitzvos ain
tzrichos kavanah, he should have said explicitly that you were yotzei maror
already at the time of karpas. Tosfos
writes that the machlokes here is about hilchos brachos – can you separate
the birchas hamitzvah of maror from the kiyum mitzvah of maror that will take
place later? Rav Chisda’s
chiddush is that even though you won’t fulfill the mitzvah of maror until later
in the seder, you can still recite the birchas hamitzvah on maror earlier at
the time of eating karpas. Tosfos draws
an analogy: just like we say the bracha on tekiyas shofar on the tekiyos d'meyushav done before
musaf even though the main mitzvah is to hear tekiyos al seder habrachos in
shmoneh esrei, so too, one can say the bracha on maror when eating karpas even
though the mitzvah of maror will only be fulfilled later.
My friend Chaim Markowitz asked: Tosfos' analogy
doesn’t match. When you blow tekiyos d’meyushav
before musaf, you are fulfilling the mitzvah of tekiyas shofar – the Chachamim
told you to blow those extra tekiyos in order to mix up the satan (R”H 16). The Chachamim didn’t tell you to eat maror at
the time of karpas. As Tosfos themselves
explained, everyone agrees that you are not yotzei maror until you eat it later
in the seder. So why should you be
allowed to say a birchas hamitzvah on maror if there is no kiyum hamitzvah at
all involved?
The Chazon Ish (#124) already asked this question
and has a different approach to the whole sugya because of it. Let me share with you three possible
solutions (of course, there may be more) in what I think is worst to best order:
1) Since Chazal instituted that the mitzvah of
shofar should be done al seder habrachos, in the middle of shmoneh esrei, the
blowing done before musaf does not count as a kiyum mitzvah of tekiyas shofar. (In some old posts we discussed the chiddush
of the PM”G in the Pesicha haKolleles that when the Chachamim tell you to do a
mitzvah d’oraysa a certain way, you forfeit not just that kiyum derabbanan if
you do it differently, but you also get no credit on a d’oraysa level.) It may be a kiyum of this idea of mixing up
the satan, but who says you should be reciting a bracha of tekiyas shofar on
that?
2) Even though there is no kiyum mitzvah of maror
when you eat your maror for the sake of karpas, the ma’aseh mitzvah you are
doing is identical to the ma’aseh mitzvah of achilas maror. Tosfos perhaps holds that a bracha can be
said on a ma’aseh mitzvah even absent a kiyum.
3) My son’s rebbe, R’ Moshe Brown, dug up a Shibolei haLeket (Hil Rosh haShana #302) that basically echoes Tosfos, but adds a few
extra words of explanation: “tibul rishon l’tzorech tibul sheni hu l’heikeira d’tinokos
d’kol chovas halayla l’mitzvas haggadah hu…”
Why can you say a bracha on maror when you eat karpas? Because, answers the Shibolei haLeket, karpas
serves as a means of arousing the kids curiosity and therefore, like everything
else done Pesach night, is part of the mitzvah of haggadah. How does the fact that karpas is a kiyum of
haggdah help explain why it is a kiyum of maror? It must be, suggests R’ Moshe Brown, that the
Shibolei haLeket holds that eating maror itself is part and parcel of the
mitzvah of haggadah. By way of analogy,
just like saying hallel (as we discussed yesterday) is not an independent
mitzvah, but is part of the mitzvah of sipur yetziyas mitzrayim because the
mitzvah is not just to tell the story but also to give thanks, so too, the
mitzvah is not just to tell the story, but to do so using certain “props” like
matzah and maror. Since there is a
shared kiyum of haggadah common to both karpas and maror, the birchas hamitzvah
of maror is not out of place if said over the karpas.
so too, the mitzvah is not just to tell the story, but to do so using certain “props” like matzah and maror
ReplyDeleteI like this pshat. In fact, one could argue that this is the simple understanding of the famous statement of Rabban Gamliel, kol shelo amar sheloshah devarim elu . . . Meaning that one has to take the three mitzvos ha layla (pesach matzoh and maror) and make them part of the mitzvah of sippur yetsias mitzrayim by explaining how they signify an important part of the story. (IOW, it is not just giving over the taamei ha mitzvos, but doing a more complete sippur yetzias mitzrayim by connecting the mitzvos ha layla to the sippur.)
It would be interesting to compare the explanations we give in that part of the haggadah with something like the ta'amei hamitzvos given in the Sefer haChinuch and see how they match up. If, as you explain, the goal is for a more complete sipur, we may find some differences. Something to look into...
Delete> How does the fact that karpas is a kiyum of haggdah help explain why it is a kiyum of maror? It must be, suggests R’ Moshe Brown, that the Shibolei haLeket holds that eating maror itself is part and parcel of the mitzvah of haggadah.
ReplyDeleteOr how about this reverse version: a full kiyum of eating marror includes appreciating why you're eating it, remembering va'yemareru es chayehem. Therefore the first dipping (karpas) helps/enhances the kiyum of the 2nd dipping (marror).
Rabban Gamliel (and other proofs linking sippur and achila) can similarly be applied in this direction too: i.e., one does not have a full/ideal kiyum of pesach matza and marror unless they explain and understand them as reminders of yetzias mitzrayim.