Monday, May 15, 2006

More hashgacha pratis questions

The gemara in Shabbos (32) says that Rava would not cross a bridge that an aku"m was sitting on lest Hashem judge the aku"m at that moment and collapse the bridge taking him down as well.
We touched before on the concept of Hashgacha pratis
here . I do not understand how you read this gemara if you adopt the Besht’s idea that Hashem directly supervises every action in the world down to the movement of a falling leaf. Why should Rava have been afraid? Wouldn’t hashgacha pratis has protected him from injury if he was not deserving of punishment at that moment?
My wife raised a different question from this same gemara on the Rambam. According to the Rambam there is hashgacha pratis on an individual level only for people closely connected to Hashem, otherwise everything is hashgacha klalis. So how could there be a din specific to an individual aku”m sitting on a bridge – isn’t that hashgacha pratis on a very specific level?

7 comments:

  1. Bill Selliger12:28 PM

    See R"H 16b:

    This is no worse than "kir natui".

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  2. I was thinking of that, but thought one can be mechaleik between placing yourself in a clear makom sakanah (the kir is poised to fall) and placing yourself in an ordinary situation which is made dangerous only because of the supernatural intervention of din (the bridge is not poised to fall unless the nochri at that moment receives an onesh).

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  3. Anonymous10:42 PM

    "Why should Rava have been afraid?"

    why do you assume he thought that God would spare him? Or that he thought he was not left to mikreh?

    "According to the Rambam there is hashgacha pratis on an individual level only for people closely connected to Hashem, otherwise everything is hashgacha klalis.":

    the ramban in iyov 36:7 says that rshoim are left to mikreh "Ad bo es p'kudosom"

    He seems to think he is in agreement with moreh also.

    To quibble with that summary statement:
    a) the ramban speaks of a kat emtazis that receives partial or occasional hashgacha (again it seems the rambam would agree and its a question of emphasis)

    b)the hashgacha (l'tova or l'raah) on someone unworthy or in the kat haemtazis can be for the benefit of the tzaddik.

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