Sunday, June 04, 2006
Were you mekabeil Shabbos early on Shavuos?
Many people have the practice of not davening ma'ariv before the zman when going from first day yom tov (which has a kedusha d'oraysa) to second day (which has a kedusha derabbanan) so as not to diminish from the kedushas hayom of the first day. I do not want to get into a debate whether m'ikar hadin that is correct. However, if that is your practice, then what about this Friday - did you wait until at least after shkiya to daven ma'ariv, or did you make early shabbos, as in the practice in many places during the summer? I ask because a local Rav was under the impression that this is 'mefurash' (his words) permitted by the Magen Avraham. The MG"A (siman 427) writes that since the heter of cooking on Yom Tov for Shabbos according to Rabbah (Pesachim 46) is based on the fact that the food may be needed for Yom Tov guests, the cooking should be completed early in the day while guests may indeed come. To remind people to finish their prepration early, on a 'yom tov hasamuch l'shabbos' a yom tov which adjoins shabbos, one should therefore accept shabbos early (see http://divreichaim.blogspot.com/2006/05/cooking-on-yom-tov-for-shabbos-ii.html). B'mechilas kvodo, I question whether the 'mefurash' Magan Avraham applies at all to our case. B'pashtus, the MG"A is talking about the second day of Y"T which adjoins shabbos, in which case one is subtracting from a kedushas yom tov sheni derabbanan to welcome shabbos early and avoid a potential bishul problem according to Rabbah. Does the same apply to subtracting from a Y"T rishon with a kedusha d'oraysa, where what one gains in tosefes shabbos is a loss of tosefes keduashas yom tov d'oraysa? I think that is a legitimate chiluk to at least give one pause. I am curious what others did and why - comments appreciated.
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The 2nd day of Shavuos was Ke'Eyn D'Oraysa. An intelligent Chumra would have been to wait after Tzeis on the 2nd night to recite kiddush
ReplyDeleteWhat makes you say that the MA is talking bedavka about the situation when YT falls out on Thursday/Friday as opposed to Friday/Shabbos? It would seem he is addressing both cases.
ReplyDeleteHere in Eretz Yisrael, where the "second day" was ONLY Shabbos and no longer Yom Tov, I believe that most people did NOT take in Shabbos early, but even the "early" Shabbos people made a "late" Shabbos.
ReplyDeleteAt Rabbi Yossi Berger's shul (the posek of Ner Yisrael in Batlimore), started Maariv at about 7:10 - well before shkiya.
ReplyDelete>>>What makes you say that the MA is talking bedavka about the situation when YT falls out on Thursday/Friday as opposed to Friday/Shabbos?
ReplyDeleteBecause in the former case you are going from a kedusha derabbanan to a kedusha d'oraysa, in the latter case not. The whole MG"A is a chumra; we might very well pasken like Rav Chisda and need not concern ourselves with potential orchim at all. So b'shlama to subtract from a Y"T sheni to add to kedushas shabbos and gain being chosesh for Rabbah, neicha, but who says because of such a chashash you have a right to subtract from a kedusha d'oraysa of Y"T? (Just to be clear: I am not convinced m'ikar hadin there is ever an issur of davening early from one day to the next, but I can hear such an argument and am therefore curious l'ma'aseh if anyone was sensitive to it.)
Well we made early shabbos. But my only reasoning for doing so was because it was offered in my shul and I didn't really think about it. I just went with the flow.
ReplyDeleteChaim -- I understand the difference, but the point is that there is no hint in the MA that his din applies only in the Th/Fr situation as opposed to the Fr/Sh situation. The simply pshat is that therefore it applies to both.
ReplyDeleteOn the issue itself, there is a difference between accepting Yom Tov Sheni early -- which is a more kal kedusah than Yom Tov -- and accepting Shabbos early -- a more chamur kedushah. The latter may be less of a stirah to kedushas Yom Tov - everything ossur on YT is also ossur on Shabbos.
I also recall a view that when YT falls out on Friday, then the two days have a combined kedusha. (This may be related to the machlokes of why one is permitted to cook on Friday for Shabbos mideoraysa -- the very machlokes Amoraim you are alluding to.) If they are one combined kedusha, then there is no problem at all in accepting Shabbos early.
Look at the Mishna Berura there. The Mishna Berura writes that on the first day of Yom Tov if you prepare late in the day it is close to an issur d'oraysa according to Rabba. The Mishna Berura also quotes that the minhag in Europe was to specifically make early Shabbos and he is not mechalek between yom tov rishon and yom tov sheni.
ReplyDeleteWe pasken that Shabbos and Yom Tov are 2 kedushos (see Beitzah 4a), this is one of the reasons some of the Rishonim pasken like Rabba against R' Chisda because Rashi explained R' Chisda's shita as being based on the idea that Shabbos and Yom Tov are kedusha achas.
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ReplyDeleteThe M"A clearly writes to Daven early to avoid a Doireisa, if he is talking about the second day Y"T going into Shabbos there is no Doireisa that can be violated. (I think this is also the Kavana of 1 of the earlier responders)
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