Wednesday, February 14, 2007

Pri Megadim: does rov apply to dinei ben noach?

Question raised by the Pri Megadim: if one has a mixture of chad b’trei, one piece of eiver min hachai mixed in with two pieces of regular meat, can a non-Jew eat from the mixture? Do we apply the principle of bittul b’rov, or since rov is derived from acharei rabim l’hatos which was said to klal yisrael, does it not apply to dinei ben noach? Perhaps we should invoke the principle of mi ika midi dl’yisrael assur ul’aku”m sharei, there is nothing which is permitted to a yisrael but assur for a non-Jew, so if rov works as a matir for a yisrael it must also work for everyone else?

6 comments:

  1. I had heard from my Rebbe that Rov does not apply to a ben Noach - but I never heard a makor for it.

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  2. Bill Selliger9:56 AM

    There is no question that we apply some ramifications of the principle of rov to gentiles as well. Yuchsin, for example, is a din in rov. We assume that a goy's father is his father for purposes of determining his yichus.

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  3. The Noda b'Yehuda raises this point about yuchsin - good catch - but I forget how he deals with it. Could there be a difference between a ruba d'isa kaman like a mixture of meat and a ruba d'leisa kaman like yuchsin?

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  4. Chaim Markowitz1:13 PM

    I am not sure if this is nogeia but would teh question of shiurim applying to a ben noach fit in over here?

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  5. general question in the laws of Beney Noahh... are *our* BN laws meant to be the universal laws of BN, or just the laws of Halakha that would apply to BN in a Halakhicly-run society?

    In other words, does the BN obligation of Dinim give them the power to make their own valid systems of law and justice? Or would we have to give it to them?

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  6. >>>In other words, does the BN obligation of Dinim give them the power to make their own valid systems of law and justice?

    I thought acc. to the Rambam (or maybe Ramban, I forget who holds which way) that was the definition of the mitzvah. And I guess what you are driving at is if they hold rov is a valid principle my question is moot...

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