thoughtful clip from Rav Tamir Granot and Rav Ouri Cherki on dati leumi vs hareidi world view

 

I have always found Rav Tamir Granot and Rav Ouri Cherki to be thoughtful, interesting speakers, and wanted to pass on this clip, which I think makes a number of good points about the hareidi/dati leumi divide.  I think Rav Garnot's understanding of the hareidi world as adopting a defensive posture and retreating from the outside world, consistent with 2000 years of Jewish behavior in galus, is accurate.  I think it is also fair to say that this hashkafa serves our interests less and less in modern times. That being said, it seems to me that  Rav Cherki and Granot are a bit overly optimistic that the hareidi world will come around and change.  There are too many entrenched interests at stake, and change requires thought and reflection.  That is hard.  It is far easier to light garbage cans in the street and block traffic because you think being drafted to defend the Jewish homeland is somehow equal to being conscripted into the Tzar's army. 
 

At around the 5:45  Rav Granot talks about being trapped in a parochial straitjacket (my words, obviously) where one's entire emotional and intellectual world consists of what lies between the covers of masechet kiddushin through bava metztiya and the severe limitations this imposes on one's personality, one's emotions, and one's spiritual growth.  I hate to say it, but unless things have changed drastically, these is essentially not just true of the hareidi world, but is true of YU as well.  Yes, YU offers secular studies, but in terms of the torah one is exposed to in YU, it's about as narrow a world as you can get.  If you are in a shiur from one of the big name roshei yeshiva you will hear a lot of gemara, rishonim, and shulchan aruch, but mussar, machshava, anything outside lomdus, is not even an afterthought.  I could be wrong because I haven't been to the place in decades. but that's my recollection of how it was.  Others may have a different impression. 

For for thought, for whatever it's worth.